I do find the believer's desire to divorce religion and belief interesting, to say the least.
Good points poopsicakes.
Jeff
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How the WTBTS creates atheists
by Nickolas ini am an atheist.
i arrived at this juncture in my life despite not wanting to.
when i first met the witnesses at 22 i was a seeker looking for answers to the question of life - in other words, prime cult target material.
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How the WTBTS creates atheists
by Nickolas ini am an atheist.
i arrived at this juncture in my life despite not wanting to.
when i first met the witnesses at 22 i was a seeker looking for answers to the question of life - in other words, prime cult target material.
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My personal favorite words of Thomas Paine fit here I think:
“Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity”
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How the WTBTS creates atheists
by Nickolas ini am an atheist.
i arrived at this juncture in my life despite not wanting to.
when i first met the witnesses at 22 i was a seeker looking for answers to the question of life - in other words, prime cult target material.
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Good thread.
For me, as was said, spiritual abuse lead to my eventual freedom to think/reason/investigate. For that, I suppose I should thank the Watchtower organization.
I suspect that many 'believers' think that atheists are just haters of god. I am not. I am simply one who is interested in facts, not fiction. If god were impossible to ignore, visible, or presented some evidence that was irrefutable, I would have no problem lining up to accept him. Part of my problem with the whole thing is the required fear of, and acceptance of, anything without evidence.
If someone told me that Alice in Wonderland was conversing with the Purple People Eater on the hill, I would take a look. If I perceived an image that appeared to be such an event, I would then be willing to concede that at least with my initial senses it appeared to be what was claimed. If further investigation made the claim even more convincing, I might have to concede, that despite my initial reservations, this might be so.
But if someone expected me to just 'believe' and have 'faith' that Alice in Wonderland was conversing with the Purple People Eater on the hill, I would tell them to take a leap. Who would do such a thing? No rational being would do so! Yet, the story of God begins for most people in a garden, where a naked lady listened to a talking snake and ate God's apple, thereby creating an evil world that could only be saved by God coming to earth and letting mankind kill him.
Most the fairy tales my mom told me at bedtime were less delusional in nature.
But hand me proof - or even some sort of strong circumstantial evidence - and I would drop the atheist label and consider a new badge. But so far, in thousands of years of history of man - no one has done so.
Jeff
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She shows too much cleavage. What should I say to her?
by Iamallcool ini met a gorgeous lady yesterday and she shows too much cleavage.
i see her facebook page, all of her pictures has cleavage in them, i would not want to date her because she shows too much all the time.
i am tempted to tell her to cover up her cleavage, she might not like me telling her that.
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She shows too much cleavage. What should I say to her?
How bout - "Bend forward please."?
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Everything In The Universe Was Created By Absolutely Nothing.
by Philadelphia Ponos inthis is the purest example of an oxymoron.
repeat this sentence over and over again and you will realize why it's impossible for some people to accept the big bang model.
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The God of The Universe Was Created By Absolutely Nothing.
The God of The Universe Was Created By Absolutely Nothing.
The God of The Universe Was Created By Absolutely Nothing.
The God of The Universe Was Created By Absolutely Nothing.
The God of The Universe Was Created By Absolutely Nothing.
Yep. That makes no better sense. I find it amazing that those who wish to believe in God, find no contradiction in claiming that sand and birds, rocks, planets and gasses could not have just 'happened' over eons of time. But that God has always been, never came into existence, and had no maker. Surely the most complicated being in the universe must have been created if our rock and the stars were!
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She shows too much cleavage. What should I say to her?
by Iamallcool ini met a gorgeous lady yesterday and she shows too much cleavage.
i see her facebook page, all of her pictures has cleavage in them, i would not want to date her because she shows too much all the time.
i am tempted to tell her to cover up her cleavage, she might not like me telling her that.
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This is just the Right Amount. And I would NEVER complain about it.
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by AK - Jeff inthe rapture was supposed to happen.. i didn't make the cut i guess.. jeff.
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Oh well. There's always next time. Another nutcase religion will come along with a new [and correct from a Biblical point of view] date before you know it.
IN the meantime, all the Christians will distance themselves from this guy.
Jeff
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by AK - Jeff inthe rapture was supposed to happen.. i didn't make the cut i guess.. jeff.
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The Rapture was supposed to happen.
I didn't make the cut I guess.
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Have you heard this?
by AK - Jeff in"well, i understand your frustration with religion/god/bible/christianity/etc.
after all you had been raised in a 'false' religion.
too bad you have turned your back on religion/god/bible/christianity/etc, and are unable to see the 'real truth' of religion/god/bible/christianity/etc due to your jaded view now!".
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"Well, I understand your frustration with religion/god/bible/Christianity/etc. After all you had been raised in a 'false' religion. Too bad you have turned your back on religion/god/bible/Christianity/etc, and are unable to see the 'real truth' of religion/god/bible/Christianity/etc due to your jaded view now!"
Or substance thereof.
Seems as if every friendship I have struck with a Christian [on this board, on FB, out in the non-digital world] has gone just like that.
This last week I pointed out to one of my friends that lunacy of Harold Camping and his rapture date [today]. And the reply I heard was, in essence, the above. I am particularly bothered when it is a former Jw who is saying such things. Can't they see that they have just changed the object of their loyalty, but continued to use the same delusional mindset?
Christian: "Oh, I have the real truth now - I left the 'false' truth behind."
Me: "Do you worship the same god now?"
Christian: "Yes, but I have found him to be soooooo much different than the god I worshiped in the former'truth'. So perhaps I should say no, it is not the same god at all"
Me: "But didn't you find him in the same book?"
Christian: "Yes, but I understand that book now. God is not like we thought he was back in the other 'truth'."
Me: "But didn't you leave the other 'truth' because of 'men's interpretation of God'?"
Christian: "Yes."
Me: "And so how is god interpreted now for you?"
Christian: "I have come to know him according to the Bible's real explanation of him now."
Me: "But couldn't your 'new truth' explanation/understanding be just as flawed, or more so, than your former 'truth' about god?"
Christian: "Oh no. I have come to know him now."
Me: "You didn't think you had come to know him then?"
Christian: "Yes, but that explanation was flawed."
On and on and on yadda yadda.
Dizziness soon overtakes me due to the circular reasoning used to promote a newer and better understanding/relationship either inside or outside religion. And they all feel so sorry FOR ME.
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FAITH, the biggest excuse for IGNORANCE.
by nicolaou inwhen you claim that some impossible account from the bible is true are you doing so because of evidence and honest reasons or simply because you want it to be true?
if the evidence your claim is based upon ends up being proven false would you stop making the claim?.
if your claim is based only on wishful thinking then you are being dishonest with yourself.
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Someone here suggested that those without 'faith' should have to 'prove' that Jesus isn't alive in heaven - or substance of that.
Realist are not compelled to prove negatives. We feel compelled to accept those things with significant evidence [though not always total proof] to support them. And many of us, like myself, would never reject solid evidence about the existence of Jesus, but it had never, and can never be provided. If you have such, then the implications of 'ignorance' and 'arrogance' could be erased from our minds. The very simple, and disturbing fact, is that you haven't a shred of 'evidence'. Your entire lifestyle is based on 'belief', 'faith', two words that imply 'no proof'.
And those who get 'offended' by such statements, need to examine why they are offended. It is not an insult to say that someone is ignorant, for we are all ignorant about some matters. But, if I were in those shoes, I would feel motivated to show more than 'faith' to those who ask a reasonable explanation. If I could not, then I might begin to feel immense embarrassment about my DELIBERATE IGNORANCE. But that's just me.
As an old wise man once said: "If it smells like bullshit, and looks like bullshit, then if you want me to believe it is an omelet - you taste it for me."
Jeff
